Report: APX ALARM
Category: Security Services
APX ALARM, APX Alarm Security Solutions, Apex SHELL COMPANY & SCAM ARTISTS - MORMON LED ! RIPOFF Provo Utah
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Provo, Utah, 84604
U.S.A.
Submitted: 8/17/2007 7:53:54 PM
Modified: 7/7/2008 8:32:43 PMSdp
Las Vegas, NevadaMy story reads pretty much the same as most of the APX Alarm stories that I have read on this site. First of all, they recruit these clean-cut young Mormon BYU (Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah) Students because as the young man informed me 'We are clean-cut, dressed very conservatively, and know how to talk with adults as we are trained from the time we start in
LDS Churches and onto becoming Missionaries how to communicate with adults and especially Seniors, being very respectful but persistent. We have the best of Company Presentation Program training and we don't take NO for an answer' smiling all the while. They seem to always come by later in the evening hours (this is because the Better Business Bureaus, State Consumer
Protection, Chamber of Commerce, etc. offices are usually near to closing) and they always play on the sympathy of 'they are BYU Students trying to earn some money for school during the summer'. They must have your Soc. Sec. # in order to see if you have a good credit rating to know that you will pay your billings. The salesman/contact person told me he only had 5 homes in our 'newly crime accented area' to give away free and he had already gotten 4 placed and just needed one more. He told me that 'the company has a contract with Metro Police and they report to them'. This is a lie, as
the Metro Police DO NOT GO OUT ON ALARM CALLS as this would tie up so many Police Officers, too bad I found out too late on this. He also said that the equipment was valued at about $4000. and was free to the 5 homes if
they signed a service contract of $39. per mo. and the price would not go up in the first 60 months. We did not have the system installed as his sales pitch lasted 2 hours and it was now around 7:30 pm, but he needed to at least have the main box put on a wall for me to qualify and that is when he contacted the 'installer - another young clean-cut MORMON BYU Student'
who took another 2 hours installing the main box and then gave me his cell number to call (they provide them with cell phones when they are selling and installing) when we got back from an out-of-town grandson's graduation. We got back about 4 days later and called him to tell him he had to wait another 2 days to do the install of sensors, etc. Of course we experienced the 'usual false alarms' getting used to the system and we had trouble with our phones but could not understand what was happening. We knew we had problems, but what exactly we did not know, only that for the first time since our phones were installed 19 years ago, we suddenly did not have the use of them when the alarm would sound. IT LOCKED UP OUR PHONES. We are both seniors and have health problems and concerns and the last thing we need is non-use of our phones. The alarm went off at 8:20 am on this particular morning and my husband had opened the door without disarming it, he then tried for 5 attemps to use our phone and call or disarm the alarm to no avail. He finally gave up and did not say anything to me about it until around 10:55 am our closest friend came over to our home and rang our bell to investigate as they were notified just 12 minutes before that a burglary alarm had sounded and they were the 2nd. notify name. They were told that we did not answer our phones and at least 3 calls were made to our home by the APX Alarm to check up on the alarm, they then tried calling our daughter for 3 attempts and were unsuccessful with contacting her, they then called a 'Priority One Security Service' company that does their home contact and that company said that the home was secure and that they saw no broken windows in front or in back of the home, so they then contacted our friends.
There was at least a 2 1/2 hour gap from the time that the alarm went off and our friends arrived at our door and it took them just 12 minutes to come over.
The above statements from the person that spoke to our friends is a total lie.
1. We were home all morning and never got any phone calls because the system had locked up our phones. 2. Our daughter's number that they claim to have called, which is her cell phone, was never called as she was at her home having a 'garage sale' and had her cell phone on her person, it never rang from this company, even though she got other calls on it during this 2 1/2 hr. interval. 3. No Security Patrol came to our home as they never came to our front door and could not have entered our backyard as we keep a LOCK
on our side gate and it would have been impossible to hop the gate and see the rear windows. Also no Ring the Bell from whoever claimed to go to the home. 4. What timeline seems prudent for Security purposes? Not a 2 1/2 hr. span before the final 'notifiy person' is contacted? 5. And what about not contacting the Metro Police Dept. at this point? We could have been the
victims of a 'home invasion' and not been able to do anything? What kind of security service is this? NONE!!! It took another 3 hours of phone calls and talking with at least 3 companies, 8- 10 individuals to finally establish by the APX Alarm Technician Dept. that INDEED THE SYSTEM WAS LOCKING-UP
OUR PHONE SYSTEM and could we please let them come and fix it by delaying the relay to them so that the alarm would take about 45 seconds before it would relay - they needed to 'doctor up our phones'. I told them NO! I wrote a letter to them telling them that they did not provide the 'contracted service' (we had called at least 4 previous times to complain about something being wrong with the phones and the system) and certainly not in a timely fashion. Their MORMON BRAIN-WASHED PERSONNEL DO NOT LISTEN TO THEIR CLIENTS, NOR ARE THEY GOING TO COOPERATE! This is a SHELL TYPE COMPANY that sub-contracts out for Monitoring services with local companies and lie about Police Monitoring. They are SIMPLY IN BUSINESS TO GET CONTRACTS SIGNED and DO NOT HAVE LOCAL PERSONNEL FOR SERVICE MONITORING & HOUSE SECURITY CONTACT. This is a SCAM on Citizens. I was told by the Attorney General's Office, Consumer Protection Dept. that they have revised their 'Contracts filed with the State' 5 times to assure that every aspect of Nevada Law (as I am sure of every State) is gotten around with 'Iron Clad Clauses' that are printed on 8 1/2 x 14' pink paper with Grey Ink - I WEAR TRI-FOCALS FOR GOODNESS SAKE!! WHAT A NIGHTMARE!
But I have reported them to the Nevada and Utah Better Business Bureaus, the Chamber of Commerce, the Attorney General's Office and I think I will have to go to the news media and TV Stations next if they continue. They said that they will simply file a LIEN AGAINST MY HOME! AND WILL COLLECT FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT UP FRONT IF THEY TAKE THE SYSTEM OUT! I never suspected I was here to KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS, DESPITE NOT BEING GIVEN THE SERVICE THEY SO PROUDLY LIED ABOUT! I want to know if anyone else is contemplating a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT and how to start or get in on one. On the web site: SecurityInfoWatch.com there is a great article, along with lots of others if you Google 'APX ALARM SECURITY'. There was even a site that I think is for a Lawsuit by 'General Security, Inc. vs.
APX Alarm Security Solutions, Inc. et al'. Any help will be appreciated. I will not let this go on. I ALSO CONTACTED MY CREDIT CARD COMPANY and told them the entire story and put in a 'Dispute Claim' that is being investigated. I will drop the CARD if they pay that Company, even though I have had it for at least 15 years. Thanks for listening - LET'S GET IM OUT OF BUSINESS!
Sdp
Las Vegas, Nevada
U.S.A.
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Updates & Rebuttals:
- Update 8/23/07 Sdp [8/23/2007 1:02:34 PM]
- An Ugly thing to read Buddy [8/27/2007 1:33:46 PM]
- All companies, large or small, have their bad apples... Techietornado [10/14/2007 4:15:21 PM]
- Misunderstanding David [12/16/2007 11:55:37 PM]
- contracts and explainations Kevin [2/9/2008 8:12:09 PM]
- If APX is a barrel of apples, it's mostly bad. Justin [2/25/2008 2:42:53 PM]
- Try to be positive, brother. David [5/9/2008 8:38:54 AM]
- Don't be upset because of user error. Nomorestupidcustomers [7/7/2008 8:30:36 PM]
Update 8/23/07
If all the complaints currently on file at this RipOffReport site were to also file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission, Consumer Protection Dept.@ http://www.usa.gov/ or directly to the Complaint
Form @ https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
as I have done, the Department will consider an investigation of this Company and its' business policy and practices. Let's all get on this
and file complaints. Also it is wise to file a complaint with your State's Attorney General Office for Consumer Protection or Senior Protection, whatever is availabe along with complaints to the Better Business Bureau for the State of Utah, and the Chamber of Commerce for your State.
Sdp
An Ugly thing to read
A very ugly thing to read. If it sounds ok to you, just insert 'Jew' or 'Black' wherever this person writes 'Mormon' and maybe it will be clearer that this person is being offensive (bless her heart). If this company ripped her off (which I doubt) then she should go after them. But come on 'Sdp' drop the bigotry--it hurts your case and makes you look like a wacko (bless your heart).
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Re-written to show she is prejudiced by substituting 'Jew' for 'Mormon':
'SCAM ARTISTS - JEW LED !'
'First of all, they recruit these clean-cut young Jews'
'when he contacted the 'installer - another young clean-cut JEW'
'Their JEWISH BRAIN-WASHED PERSONNEL DO NOT LISTEN TO THEIR CLIENTS, NOR ARE THEY GOING TO COOPERATE!'
Submitted: 10/14/2007 4:15:21 PM
Modified: 10/14/2007 6:49:41 PMTechietornado
Greer, South CarolinaU.S.A.
All companies, large or small, have their bad apples...
I currently work for APX Alarm as a service technician. I began my employment in early April of this year after completing around 30 hours of training. On the job training consisted of being shown the ropes by my Lead Tech for over seven actual installs, after which time I was allowed to work on my own and to call if needed. I worked as a 'Summer tech' year 2007 completely on commission, and after the summer I was offered a full time service tech position with the company which pays by the hour. The 'summer tech' and the service tech departments are completely separate. One group operates like individual contractors, the other is more like your traditional 9-5.
What Im getting to here is that APX alarm has a very unique business model, and that because of this model, and because APX hasn't yet worked out all the kinks in the 'Summer' program IMHO, this leads to some of the summer sales Reps, and technicians to have some extremely shady business practices. Especially on the sales side of things. While I can't vouch for every tech, For the most part, every Tech I knew, installed to the best of their ability, and was completely up front and honest in all aspects on every install I witnessed. Most of the time the Tech's were willing to completely walk out on the sale, forfeiting their own time and money, if they believed that the salesman had not been up front with the customer, and/or the sales rep wouldn't fix any of the problems and concerns the customer had during the installation.
While I believe these shady sales practices are solely the responsibility of APX, and especially its sales department to rectify, I don't believe that they should be put out of business based on the actions of a few bad eggs that happen to be ruining their Reputation. APX will either fix the problems, or continue to garnish a bad rep, and eventually go under for it... based on market conditions, not legislation or stupid lawsuits. If you signed something, make dang sure you know what you signed, and don't try to sue your way out of your obligations. Then who's the one with poor integrity?
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'This is a lie, as the Metro Police DO NOT GO OUT ON ALARM CALLS as this would tie up so many Police Officers'
As a technician, I can say that I have never heard of a local police department that absolutely refuses to respond to a house alarm. Not that this is impossible, but i've never heard of it in any of the communities I service. Besides this APX has something called two-way verification, and as any police dispatcher will tell you, this is a must have and absolutely cuts down on false alarms. its a verifiable fact that if the monitoring station of the alarm can actually 'listen in' as break-ins occur at a residence, and verify that police presence is needed, that that police dispatcher will be much more likely to dispatch a police officer over any other alarm company.
While mistakes happen, they happen with every alarm company, not just APX, and at the least APX is taking a direct approach to eliminating false alarms and unneeded police response rather than ignoring the problem as so many big name alarm companies have.
As a technician I can honestly tell you I do my best to make sure every customer understands the system, that the system works correctly without false alarms, and that any bad sales techniques that come my way are taken care of before the customer signs anything. I know that it's in my best interest, the companies best interest, to have no installation at all, than to have one bad installation create bad public relations. Eventually those contracts run out, eventually the customer can and will go somewhere else for service, eventually they get to choose whether they stay on or not.
In the end the company loses if they make bad sales. No sale is better than a bad sale, except for the shortsighted salesguys that is. But then again, if the company goes under, they can always go somewhere else.
That being said, understand I'm sympathetic. But I also don't believe you understood the technicalities of the whole situation. Its been alarm systems standard for years to get what we call 'Phone line seizure' on the system. This is optimal for security reasons so that in the event of an alarm, the phone lines can be 'seized' so that the alarm can call out. Otherwise a dial-up internet connection could cost someone their life in a home invasion, as the computer would never hang up, and the alarm system would never get to call out. The alarm can't call out in all situations if there isn't phone line seizure. But if done incorrectly, this can cause problems such as you experience where the alarm won't give phone back to the house after its' call is finished. This is usually pretty simple to fix as I come across it once in a while on service calls.
Also I want you to know that The Service Department at APX is extremely well motivated compared to the summer program, and we make it our business to provide the best service possible, as soon as possible. We have a 24 hour goal on all service calls, but during the summer as you can imagine this is really tough because of all the influx of new accounts. Again, this comes back to the APX business model, which definitely needs some tweaking I admit, but we are a maturing company, a growing company, and these are typical growing pains. Please don't judge the whole basket as they say, from a few bad apples..
Submitted: 12/16/2007 11:55:37 PM
Modified: 12/17/2007 6:16:12 AMDavid
Agoura Hills, CaliforniaU.S.A.
Misunderstanding
I would have to agree with the last gentleman who posted a comment. You really should honor your end of the deal. Also, I would like to add to the comment of the last gentleman, an Apx Alarm technician. I worked as a salesman for Apx Alarm this past summer, in Vegas, and I was honest and upfront with people. I especially made sure that senior citizens understood completely the agreement and the way in which system worked. I agree that there are some salesmen who need to be more honest and straightforward with people, but almost all of our guys were pretty dang honest, and I'm proud of them.
The police in Clark County will respond to verified home intrusions (that's the reasons that the Apx two-way voice alarm systems are especially effective in an actual emergency, since the central alarm dispatch people can listen into the home right after the alarm goes off to verify criminal presence in the home). The security guards will typically respond to the unconfirmed break-ins in the county.
Apx Alarm is the largest independently owned alarm company in the nation, and it is growing rapidly. It is the best company that most people I sold out there had ever been involved with. I sold over 150 accounts in the Vegas market, and most customers were extremely pleased by the quality of installation and customer service of Apx Alarm. Please call the company again and work something out. They are determined to make you, as a customer happy. I guarantee it.
And yes, I am a proud Mormon, too (member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). I am a returned missionary for my church, and I would be happy to discuss the gospel of Jesus Christ with you--in an honest, straightforward way, the same way I sell. I urge you to check out the website www.mormon.org. Not all of the people involved with Apx are members of my church, either.
Good luck with everything. I hope that everything that needs to be resolved by the company is resolved and that you can be happy with everything as soon as possible. Take care.
contracts and explainations
I am an ex-employee of the company. I was a technician for 2 years with this company and have now switched to a different company that is very similar. The contract was supposed to be explained to you in detail about the 3 day cancellation. If it was not it is completely on the sales rep individual that came to your door. This has nothing to do with the credibility of APX ALARM because I know first hand that they teach their sales reps not to lie. Also it is the exact same type of agreement as a cell phone contract. Could you just up and cancel your cell phone because u lost service once, or the rep that sold you the phone didn't explain all of the phones capabilities to you in detail? As a technician I know first hand what its like to install these systems and being paid on commission, time is money. Taking 30 min to explain a simple system to somebody that also comes with a users guide on how to operate it costs that technician money.
Phones Locking Up: This means that your system was installed properly. I don't know if your familiar with phone lines enough to know that there can only be one call out at a time. Therefore if your on the phone or using dial up internet, and your alarm goes off, the keypad will not be able to dial out. It is completely necessary for proper alarm operation. If you want to let them know that it was a false alarm, do it over the panel. That is why it is equipped with 2 way voice.
Like I said I have no affiliation with this company anymore and am not doing this for their benefit. I just hate to see a good deal gone bad because of ignorance and lack of knowledge on the systems operations.
p.s. I am also offended by your 'mormon' remarks. That has nothing to do with the company, or the rep that sold you the system.
Submitted: 2/25/2008 2:42:53 PM
Modified: 2/25/2008 3:09:24 PMJustin
Cambridge, MassachusettsU.S.A.
If APX is a barrel of apples, it's mostly bad.
I worked with APX alarm this past summer (2007) as a technician in Florida and it was an eye opening experience. I agree that there are bad apples in the company...but I would also go so far as to say that there are NOT ENOUGH good apples to fix it. It seems that the people that stick with APX are either corrupt and do not mind ripping people off, or they are successful salesmen and technicians who manage to defy APX's complex earning structure and are somehow able to earn money doing honest things (there are some, but in my experience they are few and far between).
Now, let me further explain my point by saying that (like most people employed by APX) I am a mormon. Thus, I am equally offended by the derogatory reference to my culture and religion. Mormons are, by and large, good clean-cut people. But there are bad apples in every barrel as they say (when I worked as a missionary in Chile from 2002-2004, there were a few missionaries in my area that did not follow the rules, did not have strong testimonies of what they were doing, and should have been sent home...so the LDS church has bad apples too). Thus I understand the frustration one feels at being decieved by a company who exploits that image for their own profit.
Now getting back to APX...they have a set of rules they are supposedly supposed to follow so that they're honest in their sales pitches. Well, during one summer I saw salesmen repeatedly break those rules and I saw managers encourage them to do it. I was offended and disillusioned. It's true that the technicians are by and large good people though. They want to do a good job and are more attracted to an honest work ethic than a flashy pay scale. But some of these techs are undertrained (they normally get sent home or they end up doing a lot of service calls and learn how to do a better job) and some are still more interested in money (and will rush through their job and not explain or install things properly). APX encourages people to sell and install a lot...often at the expense of quality. They don't come right out and say it, but the earmarks are all there.
Quantity over quality. Quantity over quality. Sure, someone might disagree with me (and maybe they were in a more ethical office) but from what I experienced and saw first hand, I would never suggest for someone to get an alarm system from this company. In fact, I would advise against it. They are lots of honest people that are trying to do a good job...but I think they eventually realize the company is shifty and move elsewhere like I did. Those that don't...well, I'd say they are fooling themselves or are liars.
I've installed systems where I felt good after leaving the place (lots of them)--where I felt the customer was happy with the product and service and I felt like I had done a good job installing it for them. But there were times (also lots of them) when I left with a sour feeling in my stomach...where I felt like the rep had lied to the customer and I was forced to choose between helping the customer and screwing over the sales rep or screwing over the customer and saving the sales rep his sale. It's tough, because a tech that is honest is not often loved by the sales guys and they eventually get the short end of the stick.
I've tried my best to do what I thought was right, given the circumstance, but I suffered financially because of it and APX has screwed me over several times since then (like charging me $700 for unreturned work tools...which I turned in) and giving me an incorrect w2 that says they did not take out my federal income taxes (which they did, and now I owe the IRS for their incompetence). This structure of this company is simply built to screw people over. And the only reason it hasn't gone under is because every summer it convinces good people that they can earn a lot of money in one short summer...and then they are forced to join the scheme or get screwed over by it.
So, from a guy who installed APX's systems...don't buy them and work for them. You might manage to beat the system, but doesn't just get its money from screwing over its customers. It also makes it by screwing over its employees.
Try to be positive, brother.
To the ex-technicion above: It looks like you were perhaps around bad management and some bad sales reps. That's not how things were done in my office. Have you ever seen The Secret? It seems like all your comments are negative, dark, and gloomy. It seems like all you see in life, as in this company is the dark, negative, and gloomy. Let me guess--you are just as negative about most things in life.
It would come as no surprise, seeing your attitude in the previous entry.
I am sure you have some valid points, but our guys were honest and ethical (if they weren't they were either reprimanded--or we let dishonest guys go), I got paid just fine, my customers understood properly the function of the system and the price, the agreement, etc. It was a great experience for me--one that taught me hard work, dedication, focus, and the power of the mind. I HAD to be positive to be successful, and I am grateful for the opportunity to become so much mentally stronger. It was great.
I am proud to be a salesman. I sell in an honest and sincere way--because I do care about these people I'm selling to, and I do know that what I am selling them is benefiting them. I have made many lifelong friends from people I've met doing this job, and I am also grateful for that. Apx Alarm is the best company I have ever worked for--I've worked for five different sales companies. They are the most professional, the most honest, the most ethical, and the most effective company I have ever sold for in my life.
I am grateful for my opportunity to be associated with something so positive and successful.
And yes, the payscale was great--but I had to work my butt off in a professional, ethical way to achieve what I acheived. Anyone who has the confidence and drive to be successful can do the same.
Submitted: 7/7/2008 8:30:36 PM
Modified: 7/7/2008 8:32:43 PMNomorestupidcustomers
Provo, UtahU.S.A.
Don't be upset because of user error.
Sir, your phone line is supposed to be taken over by the alarm in the event of an alarm. It's called line seizure and it's a good thing. I work in Tech support and personally hate talking to people such as yourself that have false impressions as to how the system operates that invariably try to debate with me about how the system works. Check out line seizure-it's the industry standard unless you have a cell unit.
Also, in the event of an alarm, our monitoring station will come over through the panel on what is called 'two-way'. This is a way to prevent false alarms in the homes of the incompetent. Additionally, if two-way communication is not made, you will receive a phone call asking if everything is okay. If there is no response, then YES! The police will be dispatched. That is what an alarm system does. It sends the police out in cases of emergency.
In addition, your disparaging comments about this being a 'Mormon' are ridiculous. The way you speak of Mormons, if religion was a part of your initial conversation, you probably wouldn't have let them in.
Bottom line, the system did its job. Do not be upset that you can't figure out your system, don't categorize the company because its from Utah. Would you like it if I say you are incompetent because you are old? If you don't like to be categorized, don't categorize others.
To be honest, I don't really care, I'm quitting soon. This is my opportunity to say how respond to the abuse I put up with everyday
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